Now that crucible doesn’t give any items there needs to be new fun things to do in the over world. Maybe more bounty’s or after you are done them you can reset it. Or a new thing in general
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this discussion is already going on here: Dissappointment with the crucible update
but i can only say from my perspective, i do not want the devs to drip feed me with a new chapter every month or two. where is the point in playing version 1.0 when it is released if we already saw everything in early access?
EA is there to iron out mechanics, fix bugs and test crucible and multiplayer. Imo it is not there to episodically release the story, so people have done it all even before final release. that could kill the game, when the community is already saturated before the finished product.
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@Chemile0n This is 100% correct. Why more people don’t see it this way is beyond me. To take it a step further, Baldurs Gate 3 had a save reset with every major patch in act one so you could only see so far. Act 2 and 3 were never part of EA. I think NRFRW should be the same. But that’s just my opinion.
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nah sorry Act 2 and 3 where buggy af and i don’t think wicked will be so extremely decision driven like BG3. I’d actually like to see the whole game, drip feed me everything, we let you know when sth is off, when the grand total of balance is weird, like we do right now.
They give us the game step by step, we work as their playtesters. for free. that’s the deal of EA. It’s Early Access not Early Limited Access, gatekeeping all other content, because we want to bugfix broken quests 3 months after release…
I’d rather not, dripfeeding early access is how you get a super divided community where the hardcores are completely separate from newcomers. Nobody likes to be the friend that’s at the start of the game, while everyone else is endgame raiding
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thats what you get from playing the game dude^^
and i think 1.0 will have a wipe anyways, so i wouldn’t worry about that.
and if you got friends to play with you’d be kind of an asshole to not rush to endgame with them.
Come on people please, they said they want to work with the community and from the little experience we have on how they implemented the mechanics they definitely need all the feedback they can get… they want the best game possible. us too. that’s why we’re here… at least make them use us instead of giving up on it half way…
and i’m super invested in this. I’m the QA guy now. i got my pride, i am part of this now, don’t take that away from me…
this all does not contradict the statement, that drip feeding the community with story chapters now is a bad thing (long term).
take BG3 for example. undoubtedly one of the best games the last years. they did EA with chapter 1 to iron out bugs, multiplayer etc. but that was the line that was drawn. EA was what it is meant to be, a tool to improve game mechanics etc and interact with the game community to do so.
if half of the players would have seen act 2 and 3 already before 1.0 release the community would have been divided. not because people know everything and rush through, but because there are those who already saw everything and stopped playing or only play with that one friend who is flashed to see all the exciting new shit and they just feel nothing.
don’t get me wrong, i want more content too, but i absolutely do NOT want drip feeding story every 1 or 2 months. that would just cause a significant number pf players (me included) to end up feeling like we’ve seen it all, maybe touching the game after 1.0 to check if there is something huge and new but otherwise i would just be done with it and play something else.
people need to be realistic about EA. its not a tool for the players to get a new “episode” every couple of weeks. its mainly a tool for the devs to implement feedback and improve things. but i do not see that we are owed more story.
i would speculate with the MP update we get maybe 1 more area, but that has to be it then. let it cook out in full, with improved and less buggy mechanics, so we can all experience the full story and maps when it is done. together as 1 community with everyone, new and EA players. that should be the desired goal here
to me it sounds more that you cant handle ea and rather want to be left in the dark just to cope with that.
And i know, i don’t like to discussion but i gotta fight for my right to have as much influence as possible. again best possible version of the game.
if you cant handle that ea, then just leave. quit out, join again on 1.0 and i don’t mean it in a bad way, i don’t want to be the asshole here.
I can handle this kind of ea and i don’t want to be kicked out of it because people don’t have self control or are dissappointed that they’ve already seen everything in late stage early access. that’s exactly what it’s supposed to be. you playtest the shit out of the game, because you love it so much. do you end up not liking the game because you’re already seen all of it a hundred times? probably, but that means you’ve already played it a hundred times and liked it thus far. you already got that much joy out of it.
Also big point:
You don’t do it for yourself. you do it for the game. and for everybody else that is out there and going to play this game. Because you believe in it. you don’t do it for yourself. You do it because f diablo and f poe and f fromsoft’s story telling, i want a better game. for everyone. I want the souls/diablo like this game offers for everyone, for the community, as a carved path and as an identity for a whole new generation.
Also this game is supposed to be played hundreds of hours because of the arpg elements if you’re already tired out by now or on the way the game does something wrong. meaning it needs people like us…
Sorry. im not backing off 
For casual CRPG players sure, I really dislike the game for various reasons that I won’t go into. The issue with BG3’s EA was, however, bugs in act 2 and 3. Up to the point where it was unplayable for some people. Now, I don’t want too much story content. Let’s say we have 5 acts, hypothetically, I would be fine with act 1 and a lil bit of act 2 maybe.
I would much rather test systems, but, also wouldn’t mind a smaller story update at some point next year or something. Just depends on what they want to test and such. I can imagine testing T4 gear requires new zones, and that means more story. Wouldn’t want drip feeding story but rather drip feed me systems to test. They said the game is to be seen as a platform and menu. So taste testing the recipes on the menu would be the most important thing to do with EA.
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if you want to do something for the game, and we all want that, then you playtest the shit out of it, yes. but that does not mean that you have “the right” so see all of the story now.
surely we all want more content. But you also have to see that there is a point there, when EVERYONE gets to be excited about new content and new bosses and more lore together, at the same time, when 1.0 is there.
to me it more sounds like you can’t handle the reality of EA. you demand a finished game, a full story, all bosses etc. (exaggerating to make the case here)
if you love a game and sign up for EA you know it is not finished and more things are to come. and more things will come, i am pretty sure of that, even during EA. and that just has to be enough. sure u can play wishing well and wish for everything to be there yesterday, but it just isn’t. EA means unfinished, that is the definition of it.
i see that with the crucible update, being less able to get gear now than before and not being able to level your main story char that there is a lack of content. but again its EA, that means lack of content.
i can understand that we all want to put our help and ideas in, and that is fine, but there is now law stating that we in return have to get it all now.
don’t u think its cool to see the major things when everything is as we would say in germany “in einem Guss”?
i simply can not understand the demanding nature of all those discussions. there is a difference between giving suggestions and demanding to get your wishes fulfilled now. we will get more to do during EA, the lastest with MP coming. but until then, whats the point of having the same discussion in 20 threads, yelling at each other, even telling people to “piss off” so to speak, just because u don’t get your lollipop. that goes just nowhere. that does not help the game, nor the community or speed up the development of the finished product.
a bit realism would help, it would lessen pointless discussions about what everyone wants and drive more constructive discussions about real issues like mechanics (enchanting, crafting etc.) that really need work. As a moderator here i see less and less constructive ideas that would actually help with those topics and in long term the game, and more and more threads and points made for more content.
i admire the energy to wanting to help, but what really helps is finding bugs, improving the game mechanics etc. not pumping out more content that still has bugs and still suffers from things like enchanting and crafting being so unbalanced right now.
imo who really love the game wants more content but the right way. done right. smooth and balanced, not just for the sake of 1 new map and 2 new bosses.
its not about a lollipop, fräulein its about being cut off of a huge part of the game that could have the finishing touches of a comitted QA community.
and from what i hear about how deeply moon wants to work with the community i don’t really see that suddenly being stopped. It’s supposed to be their magnum opus and i doubt that they just toss the opportunity of free QA.
you targeting me now?^^
that to me sounds more like wanting to blindly believe and waiting in anticipation of a game that is glorified by one’s own imagination. (tbh we got a pedo church for that nonsense)
but who actually guarantees for that great game? you think that they magically release a bug free game ? hahaha come on. I can remember the bounty MENU needing 3 reworks to actually work properly.
they definitely need us
but I get your point. i would love to reform the crafting and enchanting system, but to me it sounds more like MP is the next thing so i don’t talk about it. The community is hungry for new content, that is their feedback. they already had good threads about crafting and enchanting but you only see topics for that from new players. and why? because others moved on. they realized that’s not the focus right now for moon. threw in their 5 cents and just moved on.
If moon actually wants to improve the crafting/enchantings system OR TELL US when they’re ready for an overhaul. WE’RE GODDAMN READY FOR FEEDBACK haha (and there is already enough on this forum for a start)
ultimately it’s moon’s choice on how they go with it. im just saying “if you want a mangum opus you need them EA peoples”
oh and moon is promising so much it sounds like the game is going to be in ea for a loooong time. and sudden radio silence for a year or sth just to lose all the momentum is probably not the best approach either…
we’ll see
i never talked about radio silence until 1.0 from now on. my simple point being that EA means unfinished by definition, but it also means we will get more stuff to test and try, thats also in the nature of things.
so why whine after every update that we did not get A or B? we got C instead and improvements of X and Y. we get new things and we will be getting more new things to try.
and from streamers and other i talked to i just know for a fact they did not stop to play because there is no new content, they stopped because they do NOT want to be drip fed and will return when the game is done.
what this game needs is constructive feedback, improvement of mechanics, fixing of crashes and bugs. it was amazing to see how much it helped to fix crashes for so many people by just keeping topics together in 1 thread, sending videos and logfiles and actually give constructive feedback.
“i want more lollies” is not constructive feedback. constructive feedback are things like there that get burried in the forum behind 20 “i want more” posts and might just be overlooked:
and so so many more. what is the point in yelling into the crowd how much u want new stuff, but actually concrete and good ideas get burried in posts that do not suggest anything constructive but just demand things without ideas?
imagine we get all the things i listed above, and that just a small portion… that in my book is enough “content” to test without getting more story or new maps. it would be enough to test and iron out for months while the team can work on new story content for everyone to enjoy later.
just to prove my point all of the topics you created are from before the crucible update. (except Suggestion: Treasure/Defense/Parkour Rooms in the Crucible)
what do you expect of people that they just dont write what’s on their mind? with the current stage of the game?^^
Trust me if moon would be working on all of those topics right now everyone would shut up or only talk about how they imagine how they implement that.
But as i already said a coupe of times, they are not communicating properly, they don’t control or lead the narrative. if they’d be saying “we are currently working on X give us feedback, what you want or expect or think would be great” everybody would be talking about it. that’s what they did in the beginning.
but its a 20 second trailer, a month of radio silence, the drop of the feature and another round of radio silence.
if moon would be saying: “we are working on multiplayer right now, write us all your wildest dreams about it in the forums” you’d be having 40 new topics in no time.
and if moon cant filter the topics because they are too many and cant even rely on you for what are actual usable ones, the game is already lost…
that is exactly my point. they are older and got buried. that does not make them less viable. if you want to help, go to suggestions and sort activity oldest to newest. check out those “old gems” put your energy in adding ideas to suggestions, leaving comments or voting up things u like. so many nice features the community suggested are just lost.
that is actually constructive, while “give me more” is just not. and to follow my own advice, i will stop discussing in all the “i want more” threads now, letting them get burried as well, and might just as soon as i have the time put together all those old gems so they are pushed up again.
and btw… having 40 new topics does also not help. it already is an impossible task to get all those 69 duplicates per suggestion and bug in one place. adding 40 more duplicates really does not help. consolidation and concrete ideas do tho.
ah come on chemile that passion isn’t gone, it has just shifted.
then make me leader as well or have another couple of people as well. if you need help, just say so, you don’t have to do this alone. i actually wanted to ask you how one merges topics, but it’s locked behind the leader position…
if u want to shorten it chemi is fine (less to tipe and does sound less stupid lol
and sadly yes it is lost. u know how it is. devs are busy, so are we. people just scroll through the latest 20 topics, if they don’t find their bug or idea there they create a new one. nobody scrolls to page 200. when u google something which result do u click, the one on page 420? surely not.
ah a friendly reminder will help, i try to link them to the topics when i find one 
but: EARLY ACCESS ALL THE WAY! haha
edit: oh and if you want to talk to me, you can call me stinker, bolle, or stinkerbolle
I’d say the devs need to put in a mandatory save wipe with every major update to keep people from expecting more and more content drip fed to them while the game is in development. Baldurs Gate 3 did it and after a while it was just the norm. Apparently there’s a subset of NRFTW players that expect the full game to be released slowly. Personally, why would you want that? They should give you a first 10 - 20 hours of play, then something to do that isn’t repetitive (The Crucible) and that’s it. If they need to stop people from expecting more, put in save wipes with each new major patch. Enough is enough and this will also help the review bombing. My two cents…
I’ll be honest, I would not want a save wipe until crafting/enchanting is more streamlined. I can’t imagine myself going through that amount of farming and RNG when we have even less access to T3 gear.
I think a lot of people will be pissed if this happens and they lose their build and have to farm dozens of hours to get it back.
Once making builds is less time intensive then they can wipe save’s etc. Still depends on what they changed and such for it to become mandatory.
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