I actually disagree with it driving them away sooner. Because if you can just change your guy when ever there is less reason to make another character to try different weapons.
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I’m liking this counter-perspective 
If you have friends to play with it’s definitely a positive
I agree. Respec as a feature is a must have for this game in my opinion because there is simply too many cool stuff.
But like you said it should cost something significant (or be limited per character imo).
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Also the devs literally said it will be very expensive. You don’t really assume that this game with it’s tight economy will hand out respecs left and right?
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I think if they added pots in the game to give back a single point and a bigger version to give back 5 points that you can crafts or find it would fox this issue and you can tune you character better.
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Could you imagine perhaps a version of the game, where you could use every weapon but the having the wrong stats would undermine its’ value?
Similar to how dark souls and elden ring does it perhaps. It allows you to equip weapons where you do not meet stat req, but you are not able to use any special attacks it posses and you do very little damage. At least this way you can test move sets and looks to see if it is something for you.
I would do it completely differently. I would make the rules clear from the beginning like
Str: blunt/slashing damage
Dex: stabbing and shooting damage
Int: spell damage
Faith: non physical melee damage
And then I can use any weapon I want and try to build a specific type of character not really dependent on the weapon they can use but the type of play style I am looking for
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It doesn’t make me feel more or less grounded at all. I am a tinkerer, I like to try out many new and different builds that’s a big part of the fun for me.
This is a game where I instantly respawn when I die, carry a truckload of heavy materials in my backpack and can swing a giant sword etc for hours on end without getting tired. Yet somehow if you also can respec the world feels less grounded for you?
What exactly does the ability to respec take away from your experience? You can stick to your own principles and don’t respec yourself you know…
Not adding respec will make abusing level strategies VERY common. The following will happen:
- player finds cool sounding weapon on character A
- player needs to create character B and level to lvl40 to wear the weapon
- player has no intention of “playing the story”, player just wants to use this new weapon
- best way to do that ASAP is to use a leveling strat/bug/meta
Respec is simply a solution to the problem “I want to play my way”, and the argument to not put it in is “I want other people to succumb to my preferences”.
PoE is niche because it doesn’t have respec. MANY arpg fans have never touched it with a 10 foot pole simply because it doesn’t have respec.
The way that respec is implemented isn’t even that important:
- D2 has 3 free respecs + expensive respecs
- Elden ring has expensive and somewhat limited respecs
- D3 & D4 have unlimited respecs
- Guild Wars has unlimited free respecs
Just make the list and you’ll see that gatekeeping respeccing is not in favor of getting more players, nor those players having more fun
Having free and unlimited respec takes away from my experience because it makes leveling up not be a meaningful decision. It is not about sticking to principles at all. Some games are better with free respec some are not. This one I think(and most likely devs too) will be better with some amount of limit or resource to respec that’s all.
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what’s the problem?
There will be two situations - I made the wrong build, looked at the correct one, and went to waste time creating a character from 0.
Or I made the wrong build, looked at the correct one and slightly changed the current one.
The same thing, only in the first case I lost a lot of time. It won’t save you anyway. Someone will level up their character very quickly
PoE has respec. its just point by point and very hard to come by
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Ya I agree with you the real sweats are just gonna find the best build make a new guy and use for pvp this is true. Only thing they can do about it is balance changes.
But if you want to see my other arguments I started a similar thread before seeing this one!
I don’t feel like writing it all again lol
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Your argument is flawed. How is most games not exactly that? People who develop games want it to be played in some type of way, when they envision it. 
You want respec and there is no need to antagonize those who are against it.
I also thought respec could be useful when first starting out but now I think it’s better for not having it.
I think the solution is acquiring game knowledge. Why should that come easily? Have we become allergic to making mistakes?
If you plan to play this game for years to come, why is it so punishing to just reroll a new character? That can’t be right.
Apologies if I came across as antagonizing, that’s not my intention. My intention is good QoL and the argument against it has, in my view, not been argued convincingly
As another example: Guild Wars has unlimited free respecs and is still going strong after 20 years
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Unlimited free respec is not QOL. I quote myself from above:
“It is a system that depending on how it is implemented(or not implemented) can put none or a lot of weight on leveling up decision and can make the world feel more or less grounded. Why is it so hard to understand that some people like that?” (yes bc your choices have meaning it is more grounded)
I think it is clear why some people prefer not having it because it changes the intended experience when it comes to leveling up. I personally would like limited or expensive respec.
Can you explain this?
To me, it’s extremely obvious and self evident that it is quality of life. “Wanna try this scythe? You can. Wanna try this staff? You can.” That is clearly quality of life compared to “Wanna try this scythe? You gotta invest 4 hours. Wanna try this staff? You gotta invest another 4 hours.”
I got kids, how much time you think I have to create new characters just to try another weapon?..
If you just wanna try the weapon you should ask for “let us wield any weapon without meeting the stat requirements but with less damage because I don’t meet the requirements”. Now that would be QOL.
It apparently is not extremely obvious and self evident that it is quality of life because you have not thought about anyone else’s perspective but yours.
It is crystal clear that free unlimited respec makes the decision making when leveling up meaningless. Why would I put any thought into what I level up if I can just reset it anytime I want and freely? I would not no one would and I do not want that.
I get why you want it. You don’t get why I(and other people) want it that’s the issue here. And that’s not my problem honestly I have done enough to explain it.
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you should reroll a character if you want to play another character
not because the character you play suddenly needs different attributes because the req system is completely intransparent and random
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