true, i suggested this as well. it is a very strong synergy at the moment. (if too strong/broken or not is another discussion tho 
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i do not feel the need to prove to anyone
Then why are you typing me here so much text trying to prove it?
this is getting very tiresome.
i am not trying to prove anything, we are all trying to help, as you opened a thread about having issues with crucible and getting embers. so thatâs all we did: give u tips to get embers and improve builts.
if you do not want any help, then there is no point in moving this discussion any further.
Youâre the one being a whiner in here. We have pointed out multiple facets as to why the game is hard but fair. ChemileOn & Eggabeg both even pointed out that opposite to what you believe the dual daggers isnât unbalanced, oh wait that might be bad wording for you, no itâs unbalanced TOWARDS you. Every affix in the game is currently on hit based not scaled based off damage. Meaning literally any weapon I have if you transported those passives over to your daggers, you have better weapons than I do. The enemies as pointed out appear in the overworld, if you go by the gate you opened to save Gordon thereâs a chance a Crucible knight spawns there. Everything you say has been debunked the only truth is the Crucible is hard, every enemy is a level 21 ELITE version. You want everyone to prove to you that youâre right with gameplay footage but then youâll just pull the âoh look how much you care youâre losers for debating onlineâ card but that doesnât matter because youâre just venting and are being treated as such.
I saw your comment say youâre using leather armor, use mesh. The only reason I can think of that you canât beat the knights regularly yet is either youâre hilariously underleveled(which shouldnât happen if you did 50 runs of crucible, assuming only one knight kill each a knight gives boatloads of XP, enough that I got to level 30 by my first Echo kill from level 12) or youâre getting one-shot so you canât learn their moveset. The first solution comes with time, the second solution comes with money, buy mesh armor & upgrade it. With 500+ armor youâre at least 2-3 shot instead. And yeah respec a little with embers instead of throwing yourself against a wall.
The game is certainly not perfect no one says it is but whining that dualies are worse than 2H slow moving weapons which is objectively false & that the animations are bad is just wrong. Thereâs clear tells for every knight attack except the shove, that one is terrible.
I saw your comment say youâre using leather armor, use mesh.
Wait, so is it skill issue or Iâm severely limited in the choice of armor, perks, weapons and skills to use?
I didnât get to 30 because I have 2 chars, and I was trying different sets including those with loss of XP on death/hit with good stats, but it was all pointless in the end. The âOverall speed increaseâ it seems doesnât work whatsoever, I put 10% on and literally nothing changes etc etc.
I donât get killed by one knight obviously, and I know their moveset long time ago, donât be a clown. Knowing moveset and being able to fight against a few of them at once through multiple stages are different things.
Deathkid you need to take a chill pill, youâre just rumbling at this point.
Yeah I had more success with my first Mesh character, got to boss a few times and got him down to 1/3, boss didnât seem that big of the problem, itâs the 8 stages of trash thatâs stopping me. I mean, itâs far easier to parry Echo attacks than the trash thatâs before himâŚ
But I got a bit bored and decided to go light geared dagger but apparently itâs not balanced for this at all.
- Try to fight mobs 1 by 1 and use aoe or nuke runes for larger threats so you can one shot them. Some areas have 2-3 mobs, make sure you have an aoe rune or one with iframes (eruption for 2h can work, costs 150 focus but oneshots most enemies whilst having iframes).
Thatâs a good hint, but this is already a cheesing in my books. What stops me from taking full bag of Focus potions and just go oneshot everything with these runes? Thatâs not what I play games for.
- Be careful around ledges.
Try a dual dagger build and Iâll see how you can manage it in narrow pathways 
Theyâre literally uncontrolled lunges and you have limited maneuverability in terms of switching direction between strikes. Which is bad design for an agile weapon in general and should be changed.
Thanks for the adequate input.
Correct the speed increase affixes are currently bugged depending on if itâs armor, rings, or unique weapons itâs a known issue.
And to answer your first paragraph thatâs a loaded question. My aggression is due to me not liking some things I just sternly believe you were lying about due to venting but I do have some insights. I donât believe youâre intentionally undergearing yourself or necessarily a bad player but you have to understand if you come from soulsborne games this game isnât a soulsborne game. This gameâs systems are 50/50 gear & skill and if you cannot compensate through sheer godly skill you have to gear smartly or git even gudder and you said youâre running leather. If youâre running leather the best thing to do is to jack up str/dex/fth/int stats because those will scale forever with a weapon meaning you can double or triple the damage youâre outputting.
The opposite is true if you are dying too much and canât seem to get through the crucible which is bona fide hard, then you gotta up your armor as a result. Armor makes a huge difference 500ish armor leads to 2-3 shots, 700 4-5 shots, 800 & beyond you can actually tank several hits from even the final boss of Crucible. Gear matters in this game way more & so does prep. Just like how you can consume ashes in DS3 to buff health, thereâs food in this game that can nearly double your max health. Sirloin Platter adds a whopping 50 health to your max for 10 minutes.
The game isnât completely balanced I donât disagree with you on that but I do disagree on what/why itâs unbalanced. Your dual daggers are plenty if theyâre Tier 3.0, thatâs what Crucible is attuned to. But since this game is an ARPG and not just souls the problem could lie anywhere. Maybe the moveset doesnât fit you, maybe the affixes donât fit you, maybe youâre too light(my best guess), maybe you donât have enough dex scaling it could be any number of things.
well i would not necessarily say its an issue, but you def. limit your possibilities, by not using equipment with nice synergies.
here is my dagger build, or at least some of the crucial parts:
my built is focused on dmg reflection, so i do not want to avoid damage, as it damages the enemy as well. combined with some healing effects i increased survivability. when doing crucible runs on average i have to use 2 healing items while running through to the boss.
- thistle ring. seems almost a bit broken right now.
- dual daggers. not the best, havenât had god rolls, but decent enough:
i get health drain per hit, so additional survivability.
- dmg reflect on gloves plus increased damage taken. this is a nice combination. a bit risky when not using all the heal buffs tho.
i just wish we could have some more actually good looking armor. all my characters look horrible.
and as for the problematic with light armor vs plate, there are quite a few discussions about that here: Cloth & Leather Don't Work Mathematically Speaking
here: Cloth and Leather feel pointless
and here: Performance of plate and mesh is completely superior to that of cloth and leather
and @RomoloHero put in quite some work to summarize them all here:
all in all it is possible to create functioning builts, using affix synergies. the above shown HP leach + dmg reflect built feels pretty broken to me atm. it makes it quite cheesy. but its just one example on how seemingly weak weapons can be quite OP.
when your first character did not feel great, i recommend respec-ing into something you havenât tried before and doing daily quests and bounties to get the required embers for that.
and if you get your hands on one of those bad boys, slap it on. allows for faster leveling.
No i just went about my business killing everything and farming materials to upgrade all vendors before i killed the twins, i thought that was standard right? Unless you didnt upgrade anything and just plowed through the little content we have straight for the twins to open the crucible, although you have to kill darak too after that.
Jeez i was answering his first comment way up didnt know the shit show the OP turn his thread in hehehe.
My vote, if people are couting those, is serious atitude problem, not enough patience, and lack of skill aparently, but that could be a result of the lack of patience issue. I think you should work on that more than the gear.
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I donât know about your game skill, but you fail at pretending to be a psychologist. Get back to farming.
@HaganVS looking through your responses it seems more like a skill issue, since you often write about tough enemies and useless weapons. BTW the very first dual daggers, the Brother Keepers, are one of the best weapons in the game, all dual daggers are.
There is YTuber I found, who showcased some weapons in Crucible. Watch a few videos, maybe you will learn something from it.
On topic, there is no Ember issue.
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That is the most lazy low-skill gameplay Iâve seen - plate armor plus shield, holding block between rolls when there are no attacks incoming whatsoever - what a great self-report; if youâre impressed by that gameplay then you have no idea what skill is.
Said the guy who struggles to clear Crucible. I think this thread is done.
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The whole point of the thread was that Iâm playing light build and I want embers, not your useless advice, youâre not better than me, go watch your youtubers if you canât play the game yourself and donât try to advice anybody.
I play crucible with 3 different weapons and works fine except the boss there (its hard for me to predict the moveset).
One is a ashendagger (dualdaggers), second that sawtwohanded sword and the third one a character with a scythe.
The Enemies in crucible are not that bad or hard. Knights are easy to backstab. The bigger monsters are easy to predict. Witches and âRoguesâ are a joke.
The only thing i can understand is to get the embers. But when your running through the map and looting chests there are always embers to loot and dont need much time to spend.
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I can understand the OPâs struggles as he is clearly stating that he is struggling with acquiring Embers. The thing is, by the sounds of the advice that the OP has received, there are many ways to acquire Ember. From a game design perspective, you have to understand that the developers restrict/limit how much the player can acquire from whatever system, to ensure and push players in the direction to interact with the other systems at play. This, in itself, is a challenge with balancing since many may not wish to interact with bounties or dailies, whether they are too grindy or too easy or just plain boring for the participant. There is the matter of fact that if a player chooses not to interact with daily, weekly quests or retrace their steps and revisit zones, then it punishes the player, and therefore we end up with comments stated here where others have a surplus of Ember whilst the OP doesnât have enough. I feel the main takeaway is that the OP is feeling restricted and punished for not trying the other mechanics. So, maybe there need to be other ways to earn Ember or a greater reward/more uses for Ember to incentivise and give players a concrete reason as to why they should try the other systems within the game. Current suggestion that can be used as an example: bounties and dailies should offer multiple rewards to reduce the grindy and repetitive nature or at least higher chances for the player to earn Ember or even obtain higher quantities.
In my opinion, the current state of the endgame resembles just thatâan endgame. It appears tedious and unenjoyable, marked by a grindy nature that I find unappealing. This detracts from the core experience of the game, shifting the focus towards grinding rather than enjoyment. Perhaps it would be better to hold off currently and wait for the aforementioned rogue-lite endgame, which sounds more promising and rewarding.
I do have to state, however, that I find the tone of the OPâs comments somewhat off-putting. I understand his problems, but the attitude towards those who disagree with him could be more constructive. OP, I encourage you to provide your own suggestions as to how Embers can be obtained, or ways that you feel it is unbalanced. This would help foster a more productive discussion.
The problem with the OP isnât just his tone but that heâs frequently lying. We give advice his response is âTHATâS NOT REAL YOUâRE MAKING IT UP I KNOW IâM RIGHTâ. 5-10 embers an hour is a lie, there is no universe where that experiment is repeated multiple times and your average ember output is 5-10 an hour. One zone takes maybe 15 minutes to clear and has maybe 5-10 chests. You get 2-3 embers per slot IF they appear in a chest and that rate is high. We try to give tips about builds, he lies and says that dual daggers the objectively, scientifically best weapon type in the game is weak. We give suggestions about trying to use better armor, he conveniently ignores my response & chemileonâs. Heâs not looking to foster any kind of discussion he just wants to troll & argue, whenever a troll ignores any reply but the ones they want to yell at is when thatâs clear.
Complaining about endgame being grindy in an ARPG is something I canât fathom. That to me is like complaining the number of enemy troops is too much in a Fire Emblem at the end. Really it doesnât matter because he came back after the weekend and heâs just yelling in the town square like the NPC. Meaning ChemileOn is gonna have to lock this thread when sheâs online
guys keep it calm. it does not help to point fingers. this whole discussion is walking a very thin line.
again, please keep it respectful, donât point fingers, and keep to the topic in a constructive manner. otherwise, there is no point in keeping this going.
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no weeklys are more set in what they have and itâs specifically ichor + gear/blueprints. Never seen embers in weeklys. Theyâre always in dailies though for both bounties & challenges
plus, if you do dailies and weeklies, and follow the route they take you, you come across lots of chests, dirt piles etc., which when interacted with, also give embers.
sure, not everyone digs up a pile of dirt, while on the way to kill some enemy for a bounty, but its also not really going out of your way to get a chance for additional embers.
i did dailies yesterday with 1 character and got 11 embers from rewards and stuff on the way. and 11 is enough to grind some crucible, which also can drop some embers. plus you can then level up and get better gear.