Choice of starting weapon, or get all weapons

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As a user, I want to play a certain fantasy. For example, I want to play a mage or a brute.

Currently, it might not be possible to get a weapon that fits with my desired fantasy until being lvl4 or even higher, meaning it becomes somewhat attractive to spec into whatever I found so my character becomes stronger.

Suggestion: either let us choose a starting weapon (eg think how Pokémon let’s you choose) or give us a whole range of weapons that can be picked up, so that we can start living our desired fantasy straight away.

There’s a decent immersive way to do this, because let’s be fair: the pirate ship should have plenty of weapons on board to loot.

Maybe less immersive options on the beach, but I’m sure someone can come up with one

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but as soon as you save the blacksmith you have a choice of almost one of each type of weapon. At least, a decent starting chunk. Similar to any souls-like I’ve played.

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it takes beating the first boss to reach the city and honestly you should be able to start with your desired class fantasy and try to beat the boss as that character

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People can have quite a few hours in before this point, and might have already put points in attributes to increase damage. Also, I was poor af that early in the game.

I can’t remember a souls game where you don’t chose a starting class at character creation.

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That’s not true, he sells and repairs as soon as you kill the 3 guys by him. I just started my 9th character, I should know. One of those is a greatsword so you can definitely be the 2 hand brute before boss 1.

Edit: I do agree that more than likely a new player will just end up with whatever weapon drops first. I get that. But I do think that’s the point. To try a build you wouldn’t normally because all the weapons have (mostly) unique movesets.

That being said, if you start a new character explore the map. The first night has an extremely generous amount of large chests around. You can definitely afford a weapon of choice before the boss fight.

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I just saved my stat points till I found something I wanted to equip. I beat the first boss and got the broadsword, thought it was dope then finally invested my first stats.

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Souls games give you the option during character creation, not after working your way through the tutorial and the first 70% of the prologue

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You can get to the blacksmith in under a minute. A new player will likely get to him within 5, based on watching friends play.

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This sounds fine for someone like yourself that is happy to make many characters, but in my view it sounds contrary to a good “new casual player”-experience. In other words: fine during early access, but could significantly hurt v1.0 sales and reviews.

People want to play their way, they don’t want to play the way that the creator gave them due to RNG. Just imagine how many players want to play Brute but RNGesus gave them a Mage weapon and vice versa. That’s all going into the “unnecessarily moving towards negative reviews”-bucket

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I totally feel that man. When watching my little brother play he got a mace and felt like it sucked and was bummed he didn’t choose his weapon and was struggling to fight the boss. He also missed that the blacksmith sold anything and just went straight to the gate. I do see the issue…but the devs provided a solution already. Maybe the blacksmith just needs to say something like, “Before you go if you would like to arm yourself with a different weapon, I have some for sale.”

Edit: PS I also really enjoyed using my fist instead of the staff it dropped. Super fun, sadly there’s no fist weapons yet and they drop off in damage shortly after.

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That’s some proper nonsense. You might think this is true, but I’m sure you haven’t timed that.
You gotta work yourself through the ship, reading help texts, people walk across the beach to the sewers entrance whacking crabs, walk back and fight a few mobs. Find the Whisper and try to figure out what it does, fight their way to the closed gate, thinking about how to proceed, find the door to the blacksmith room, get killed 2-3 times by the 3 enemies that overwhelm them.

Think about current players being “well adjusted to the genre” compared to version 1 where many casuals will try the game and want to play their way. Some of them will reach the blacksmith and go “ok now I can play my way” but how many people at that point go “nah whatever, let’s refund”?

You can say “it’s their loss”, but while you’re right, it’s also a loss for us (smaller community), a loss for Moon studios, and as a result another loss for us because Moon will have less resources to invest in a sequel/DLC/…

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Oh yeah I forgot about the ship prologue. My b. We were taking turns on my account and it skipped the intro and started us on the beach.

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The current system works fine. You will find a starter weapon that plays into your build shortly after starting. Your not going to get the best weapon right off the bat, but you will get one that scales with whatever primary stat you choose.

I tend to put a few levels into HP and stam to start anyways, so there’s plenty of time to find a dex or str or int weapon or hybrid weapons.

For instance, you start, you find a cleric mace. You use that for a bit, while putting 3 points into HP at lvl 2, then you find a dex dagger, and you wanted to build into Dex for bow build, but dam your stamina is low. Put 3 points into stamina.
Next 3 points into HP cause you’re getting melted by mushroom hat guys.

Your lvl 4, and now you’re at the blacksmith.

Buy a weapon that fits your build, and if you still haven’t found a staff, just go around and loot and kill till you do.

It doesn’t take long, and you can easily get a weapon for each stat before you fight the boss.

And if you’re going pure, no HP no stam no equip load, then just dump all points into that stat and loot away.

Most RPGs don’t give you the desired weapon right away.

This gives you a lower starting point and makes it more exciting when you get your desired build up and running.

Think elder scrolls, do they give you the weapon you wanted right away?

No you start as a dirty prisoner with tattered garbs and an apple. Same thing here, and it makes for a good fresh start on each character. You start as nothing, and have to beat your way up to the badass mage, warrior, archer, or rogue you want to be.

Gives the character more growth.

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Yup. A lot of rpgs I’ve played start you off with sword and board even though I dislike that playstyle typically. I had way more fun in this just beating the crap out of people and suplexing them with my fists.

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it took me some time to find that key and get into that room. i definitely played a lot but “luckily” i found a 2 hander quite quickly at the beach. but the halberd that i actually wanted i found 40 hours into the game.

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Maybe just to add for context: on day 1 I gave the feedback that the blacksmith should sell all starter weapons, and then it was implemented on day2. Not sure if it was because they saw my post and agreed, but I (somewhat optimistically) feel like giving my feedback made a difference. Hence I’m now suggesting another change to work alongside the previous one

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Yeah, to me that doesn’t sound ideal. Especially because you might enchant and brick it, at which point you don’t know if you’ll ever play halbert again

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it has xp loss on death but i’m dealing with it :smiling_face_with_tear: (so yea i haven’t found a second one so far)
the lack of weapon accessibility has been recognized and will be worked on (i hope)

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It might not be as early as you’re suggesting, but I think it would be nice if they made getting blueprints for several more weapons available earlier in the game. That way you can get what you want, somewhat earlier on and if you do “brick” a weapon you can keep trying to make it with just a little resource/silver gathering.

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Agreed, but also: why doesn’t the blacksmith sell all types of melee weapons? Surely he can literally make them from scratch? He is… a blacksmith.

Imagine going to a blacksmith asking for a Halbert and he says “I can’t now, but come back tomorrow and maybe I was able to do it one time in the upcoming 24 hours”

Least qualified service provider in the realm :rofl: