There’s an incentive for you to craft said armor piece and socket it instead of rolling if you are in love with it.
Make it a story unlock. We get homes after a story event, maybe a story event around upgrading the town, finding a new NPC, etc.
I’m sorry, this does not work for me. Why should players be limited in this way where they have to choose between enjoying the appearance they like in a state where the gear is much less potent than it could be, or risking rolling a crappy cursed item and basically having to toss the item altogether? Some of which, mind you, that require incredibly rare mats to construct, so it’s not like these are easy appearances to obtain.
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I understand your point. But still wouldn’t want transmog in the game, sorry.
I want all medias surrounding this game be WYSIWYG. So when I see a screenshot posted I dont have to guess what a player is wearing.
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My problem with this is now everyone will end looking exactly the same towards end-game. So WYSIWYG ends up stifling player expression massively for players like myself who enjoy customizing our character’s appearances.
It seems we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this, but thank you for the civil conversation.
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It’s really interesting to me how fired up people are getting about being against transmog! When I made this post, I figured people who’d like a transmog option would simply like the post or reply with their support of the idea. Didn’t anticipate some people being strongly against it. Not a bad thing, I just find it kind of fascinating. I still maintain the position that an optional feature hurts no one and those who don’t want to use transmog could easily ignore it. So, I really don’t see how it would be problematic, but I guess some people still feel it would be.
To be clear, I’m not saying we should be able to make daggers look like a Claymore or a bow look like an axe. That would be ridiculous. I’m just saying that it would be nice, for example, to change my headpiece to look like any other headpiece I own. I also don’t think players should be able to change a headpiece to look like any other headpiece in the game, just the ones their character already has.
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I’ll ignore you shifting goalposts.
Find the armor you want, upgrade/enchant it.
The actual issue:
I spent 5 days farming for the gear I wanted and to lose in enchanting and gave up and went to play blacksmith lottery instead. This is the real issue.
Now I think we can both agree that the current enchanting system is bad. White gear drops too few and enchanting is too random. These two are the actual villains. Transmog is a cheap workaround to these core issues. Once they get resolved transmog should not be needed.
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For what it’s worth, I’m totally with you on all of this @Ellybean. I’m still baffled by the arguement that a transmog option somehow hurts since it’s an option, but I guess some feel differently.
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Because it encourages the blacksmith lottery.
The core issues are enchantments being too random and white gear too sparce.
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It’s not moving goal posts if you are ignoring the problem and pretending there’s a solution to it. “Go farm for the same armor you already have because the totally random stats on it are bad” is not an answer to players like myself who enjoy customizing our character’s appearances. Even if they implemented fixes to the blacksmith, it doesn’t change that I would not enjoy a system that works like that. Give me the freedom to choose my appearance without harming my stats, or there isn’t freedom.
@Arktix Yeah, I don’t see how it harms anything either. An optional system is entirely that; optional. No one is being forced to participate with the system. But what they are trying to do is tell others that they can’t have options with their own character, literally because, “They don’t like it.”
It is moving the goalposts since gimping is broader, yet less specific than:
It encompasses also having to spend attribute point on equip load.
But let’s focus on what we agree on: farming for an item for several hours to lose the enchantment lottery is messed up.
We both want to customize our appearance.
I want more customizable enchanting and easier access to white gear, for me the issue is then gone. If you still have issues, could you elaborate so I can better understand your perspective. Because for me the issues stem from the affixes and randomness.
Incase you missed my post.
I do think the solution that “could” please all people is having transmog only works to the wearer. That way, in multiplayer and PvP still retains purity and in single player, transmog could just be ignored. I’m still on the side of no transmog, dyes are fine. But if it makes other peolle happy and has no effect in multiplayer except only to the wearer, it’s not my place to say no.
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Yes, but you know exactly what players want in terms of transmog and the reasons why, and to say something like “But you can choose your appearance!” is disingenuous, to say the least, because you know we are talking about keeping our stats while changing our appearance. It comes across like you are trolling, even if you did not intend it.
To your scenario; if I understand correctly, you’re saying players should have the ability to customize which enchants should appear on armor? I can sort of see what you’re getting at here, though isn’t part of the fun of ARPGs the randomness of never knowing exactly how your gear turns out?
Though, if it wasn’t controlling all aspects of enchanting and maybe only allowing you to choose one specific bonus, it might feel better. Either way, I think this is probably another topic altogether regarding how smithing and enchanting can feel not great sometimes.
I don’t think it is disingenuous at all. I can say the same that it is disingenuous of you to assume that I’m disingenuous with my arguments.
As for the trolling comment, I felt the same about you. Which was weird given our first conversation, which was pleasant.
I do think, we can both agree we are both being petty. And that it stems from us not seeing each others point and thus drew a similar conclusion to either intention or how things came across.
So let’s start to understand each other.
Part of the reason why I think players can choose their appearance. Is due to it not being class locked. Everyone can wear cloth and plate. In my mind, when I see this, transmog needn’t exist. And we should have freedom to customize our favorite gear. I would be a lot happier customizing and fine tuning my ideal armor. Rather than overriding something overpowered.
My ideal state for enchanting would be Randomization and Customization working hand in hand. Either part should play a role, I don’t know the exact roll. But I do know enchanting a piece of equipment with 4% heat damage rather than 14% doesn’t feel right. Especially after 3 previous custom enchants for example. I do like the idea of randomization, I think it should play a bigger role. Especially if I can craft my own gear, removing the white gear scarcity.
For me this is where the core issue stems from. Transmog, to me, seems like a bandaid to a much larger issue.
I think where we butt heads is the following.
You don’t want to farm for hours to get your ideal piece of equipment. So you want transmog to alter the appearance of a good piece of equipment with your ideal appearance.
I don’t want to farm for hours to get my ideal piece of equipment. So I want white gear to be more common and enchanting to be more customizable.
From my perspective transmog bypasses my initial issues with certain systems. I hope this gives more insight in my perspective and shows you I wasn’t being disingenuous.
Part of the reason why I think players can choose their appearance. Is due to it not being class locked. Everyone can wear cloth and plate. In my mind, when I see this, transmog needn’t exist. And we should have freedom to customize our favorite gear. I would be a lot happier customizing and fine tuning my ideal armor. Rather than overriding something overpowered.
So you’re saying you have the choice to choose between cloth and plate, but that’s not the issue; the problem is that I can’t choose the appearance of my cloth armor among other cloth armors. When people talk about transmog, in general this is what they mean. Yes, we have the freedom to wear any armor, but we do not have the freedom to apply appearances to our armor that are of the same category (i.e. cloth armor to cloth armor, plate armor to plate armor only.)
You don’t want to farm for hours to get your ideal piece of equipment. So you want transmog to alter the appearance of a good piece of equipment with your ideal appearance.
I don’t want to farm for hours to get my ideal piece of equipment. So I want white gear to be more common and enchanting to be more customizable.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand my position, so I’ll clarify; I am more than happy to farm for my ideal equipment. In fact, I encourage it. It gives me more time to spend in game to work towards increasing my stats.
But that experiences is entirely unrelated to me wanting to have the ability to choose how I look while chasing increasingly better drops. And to say that these two experiences have to be tied together, I ask; why?
Transmog would fix that issue. However, that wouldn’t fix my issue. Since enchanting and white gear scarcity isn’t being addressed. Instead the blacksmith lottery is further incentivized. It works as a moderating variable that further worsens my experience.
I am not sure if you understand my point of view as you haven’t addressed it.
I don’t think I misunderstand your position on a fundamental level. But, we want the convenience located elsewhere. You want the convenience of swapping between item type appearances. I want the convenience of more easily enchanting my gear. Transmog doesn’t solve my issue it worsens it.
I just can’t for the life of my wrap my head around this, though. Transmog does nothing to your issue, because your issue is unrelated and a different topic altogether (enchanting and white gear.)
I don’t even disagree that those areas need improvements, but I’m still trying to figure out how that even related to transmog? Like you described it best here, yourself:
You want the convenience of swapping between item type appearances. I want the convenience of more easily enchanting my gear.
We can have both of these things, can’t we?
Yes, but we want it differently.
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You want the ability to gain the appearance of Item B on Item A.
I want the ability to gain the Affixes (1,2,3,4) of Item A on Item B more reliably.
These are not mutually exclusive systems you’re proposing, though, is where my confusion lies. You can have that sort of affix customization within a game that also has a system for transmog, so I’m just trying to understand why you seem to think we can’t have both of these things.
My issue is entirely contingent on the current iteration of the enchanting system existing as it is. Where transmog becomes a band aid worsening my experience.
They are not mutually exclusive but redundant. Therefore, if I can freely swap affixes, or customize them transmog wouldn’t be necessary,