# Dissappointment with the crucible update **URL:** \ **Category:** Wicked Feedback\ **Created:** [July 26, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146 "2024-07-26T15:31:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![death\_the\_kid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/death_the_kid/32/1176_2.png) [@death\_the\_kid](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/death_the_kid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/23 "2024-07-29T16:51:59Z")
First no I don’t agree you’re worried that it’s mandatory overall for base game which it isn’t and never will be with how hard EK is and yet still doesn’t require exaltation. 2nd I do think it outright should be almost mandatory for very, very postgame endgame content and why shouldn’t it be, that’s for the hardcore fans who have to buildctaft exactly like raids. I shouldn’t be able to wave my hand and the boss dies Third that’s pretty dumb then, you want a homogenized system? I play a shit ton of JRPGs some party members I do not care about and never max out thereby missing out on certain buffs, abilities, comboes, etc do you really believe everyone maxes out all their party members? what you want everybody to share the same skill tree? You say if the system exists people will naturally go and try to max it out, do you know how few people even FINISH a game? ---
**Author:** ![pierpa86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ea5d25/32.png) [@pierpa86](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/pierpa86)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/24 "2024-07-29T17:00:39Z")
i’m a bit disappointed also for a lack of new area to play. We need to raise the maxinum level ! We need more contents to play ! And when we need that ? for yesterday as always… New update is amazing but, what you think about go over and make game pretty (over all grapics improvment…) later ? I think I’ll forget about this game until next year (if it goes well) PS. a funny things happen with this update, I managed to kill the boss with 2 hits, one per life bar. I’m afraid something is buggy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrasilBorba1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/brasilborba1/32/6124_2.png) [@BrasilBorba1](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/BrasilBorba1)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/25 "2024-07-30T15:13:13Z")
Game is great and i see the lack of patience from players as a good sign actually, people want more, but these things take time, if the devs under cook the next update it might come out full of bugs, i dont mind waiting. As for crucible, Echo is tankier than ever now hehehe, took me a long time to get to phase 2 and since im not used to that phase yet he proceed to kick my behind, guess i will have to grind for those crystals and get me some exalted gear. ---
**Author:** ![death\_the\_kid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/death_the_kid/32/1176_2.png) [@death\_the\_kid](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/death_the_kid)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/26 "2024-07-30T18:41:47Z")
nah don’t you know man, every impatient person is actually an expert gamedev at Riot games. They in fact know from expert, personal experience that major expansions to story, zones, weapons, mechanics, and balancing are capable of being done every 2-3 months. After all Shadow of the Erdtree came out in 2 months from production everyone knows this ---
**Author:** ![user33](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/user33/32/5098_2.png) [@user33](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/user33)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 8:26am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/27 "2024-07-31T08:26:45Z")
I agree, i wait more explore content. Right now there is no reason for me to play this game. ---
**Author:** ![Evocator1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Evocator1000](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Evocator1000)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/28 "2024-08-02T06:10:23Z")
> [@Chemile0n](#): > > when we are being “drip fed” one story episode after the other, every month a bit of main content, then what is the point of even playing the games 1.0 release version? Aren’t series of any form of Media successful? Aren’t lots of indie and Storygames already doing that? **Dripfeeding the story is a success model**. Also, have u never binged a series again after watching it episode by episode over years? Have u never read a Comic series again? Haven’t u ever played again through a series of game titles? For nostalgy/complete experience purposes? … If u don’t want to be spoiled, don’t spoil yourself and wait, but EA is not really the space where we should care… We signed up for being spoiled. **Not offering any new content makes people lose interest (myself included), even in EA.** Especially after the long wait. No new Story, no truly new gameplay or even some kind of balance update? The game is not really playable for me, because of a bug and all I am is mildly annoyed, which is very sad. Meanwhile I farm every Hades update, because one will never know what Story Beat comes next, what playstyle will be viable, what abilities will be overhauled/replaced/introduced. All Moon has to do is tweak some numbers… from my pov all they did with this patch is (stealth) nerf my chars compared to EK and introduce a (currently) worse Hades experience which gates mandatory item upgrades and prevents me from leveling my chars with endgame content. ---
**Author:** ![Evocator1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Evocator1000](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Evocator1000)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 6:31am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/29 "2024-08-02T06:31:48Z")
@laki represents the part of the playerbase, that don’t ignores game goals and expects ARPG content. Be a bit more respectful. Have you ever played an ARPG to the max? Have you ever played a Soulslike to the max? **Optimizing playstyles and maxing stats** every chance you get, even if not mandatory, is actually **the interesting part** to lots of players. > [@death\_the\_kid](#): > > 2nd I do think it outright should be almost mandatory for very, very postgame endgame content and why shouldn’t it be, that’s for the hardcore fans who have to buildctaft exactly like raids. I shouldn’t be able to wave my hand and the boss dies Forcing people to play a (currently) worse Hades in a game not advertised as a RogueLite, if wanting to play optimally, does not appeal to everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Evocator1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Evocator1000](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Evocator1000)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 6:42am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/30 "2024-08-02T06:42:29Z")
> [@death\_the\_kid](#): > > They in fact know from expert, personal experience that major expansions to story, zones, weapons, mechanics, and balancing are capable of being done every 2-3 months. Again with the disrespect. Tune down your talking down, it’s not a good attitude. Content of any kind can come in smaller parts. Also I really do not get, why they don’t do balance updates to keep the game fresh for the people focussed on gameplay. For me personally impatience results from the lack of stuff to do and to try. Tweaking some numbers shouldn’t take much development time, keep players engaged and give information about the state of balance. ---
**Author:** ![Chemile0n](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/chemile0n/32/5788_2.png) [@Chemile0n](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Chemile0n)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 9:48am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/31 "2024-08-02T09:48:02Z")
have you never been fully saturated with a game without finishing it? i played fallout 4 for i don’t know, 150h and still haven’t finished it, because at some point i had the feeling i have seen it all. now it lies ded in my library. and it is not the only game like that. same happened to skyrim, dayz, subnautica etc. and you can’t really compare series and games. passive watching and active gaming are two completely different things. sure i watch star trek TNG for the 100th time, but mostly i fall asleep after 20 mins. do u fall asleep while playing? its like comparing riding the train or driving your own car. and aside from all that i have heard from quite a few people already, that they feel like they lose interest, if we get new stuff every few weeks. if you have 500h before release and u have played all story chapters, so why would anyone still play when its release? people just assume EA is there to please them, and give them new shit every so often, while it is just not. EA is like open betas or alphas back in the days. people could test a part of the game to iron out the bugs and then had to wait months or years for release, without a chance to get drip fed. and it was a good concept, you got hyped for what you played and even more to come. ---
**Author:** ![Lacky](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/lacky/32/6662_2.png) [@Lacky](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Lacky)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/34 "2024-08-02T13:36:34Z")
Can only hope they do. ---
**Author:** ![Lacky](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/lacky/32/6662_2.png) [@Lacky](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Lacky)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/35 "2024-08-02T13:38:14Z")
Riot Games are having a blast with their balance patches. They once announced that Vladimir had a nerf. And overnight he became less played and people found counters for him. He wasnt at all changed. ---
**Author:** ![Evocator1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Evocator1000](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Evocator1000)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/36 "2024-08-02T15:17:17Z")
Thank you for your reply! 🙏 > [@Chemile0n](#): > > have you never been fully saturated with a game without finishing it? i played fallout 4 for i don’t know, 150h and still haven’t finished it, because at some point i had the feeling i have seen it all. now it lies ded in my library. and it is not the only game like that. same happened to skyrim, dayz, subnautica etc. Sure I have. And precisely with those games you mentioned. But none of these Games are Story focussed or Gameplay focussed games. They are all open world, exploration focus. There is no „drive“ so to say. Wicked is ARPG + Story so double drive. > [@Chemile0n](#): > > and you can’t really compare series and games. passive watching and active gaming are two completely different things. sure i watch star trek TNG for the 100th time, but mostly i fall asleep after 20 mins. do u fall asleep while playing? Actually yes 🤔😅🫠 And yes of course I can. Why not? Try some Visual Novel like games and you can see how fast the lines blur. > [@Chemile0n](#): > > and aside from all that i have heard from quite a few people already, that they feel like they lose interest, if we get new stuff every few weeks. > if you have 500h before release and u have played all story chapters, so why would anyone still play when its release? Where are the people that lose interest because of new Stuff? Because the game is that good? Because its still evolving? Because you play with friends? Because it fills a Niche in your gaming mood? Because it has enough replay value? Because the game evolved during EA shifting its experience resulting in a fresh game? Lots of reasons. > [@Chemile0n](#): > > people just assume EA is there to please them, and give them new shit every so often, while it is just not. EA is like open betas or alphas back in the days. people could test a part of the game to iron out the bugs and then had to wait months or years for release, without a chance to get drip fed. and it was a good concept, you got hyped for what you played and even more to come. Times have changed. Early Access first and foremost means early access. It is not like open betas or alphas. It is evolving constantly. Ideally at a continuous pace. And yes Early Access is a tool to develop the game, but it should also be there to entertain the players aka testers, for obvious reasons. From my PoV dripfeeding Story and Balance Updates is a BIG advantage of an Early Access title (in contrast to all the disadvantages). I really like to see games evolve and adapt over time. Cheers! ☺ ---
**Author:** ![death\_the\_kid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/death_the_kid/32/1176_2.png) [@death\_the\_kid](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/death_the_kid)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/37 "2024-08-02T15:26:09Z")
I will consider toning down these sarcastic comments if the haters come at us with good points and not outright lying, pretending to be ARPG experts, or insulting the game randomly because it’s not catering to their every whim. The amount of people who pretend like the Crucible, a reason to fight and make builds, isn’t content in an **ARPG, ACTION FUCKING RPG** I genuinely cannot understand. These people to me are addicts who just want a straight train ride which is **shocker** often not how ARPG are. ARPGs often expect you to derail from story and quests to do whatever the fuck you want whether that’s trying to kill an unbeatable boss, making a new class, etc. All these people are doing is whining that this game is not a soulslike, when it was never advertised to be a soulslike, when almost every single soulsborne mainstay is **missing**. If you ask **any** of these haters if only story updates would make them happy they dodge the question like the question is a final boss, because they don’t care about the game, its goals, or what it can provide. They don’t care about improving the game’s mechanics, or pacing, or depth. All they want is that sweet sweet luscious boss fight to trick them into thinking they’re good at the game followed by a cinematic cutscene. There are **SOOOO** many real problems with this game, but the doom and gloom of the Crucible being the first major update isn’t one of them especially when it has only been **three fucking months** of EA. This is not me yelling at you, I’ve seen you in this community, I know you are a good member with contributions, but I cannot stand people who are lying about this game’s genre/goals, pretending they know at all what to expect from ARPG systems(which commonly have endless dungeons akin to Crucibles). In general I hate that they even pretend to care at all. They don’t want this current 6/10-7/10 to become a GOTY contender that can bring changes to the ARPG genre, they want to be dripfed this 7/10 game until 1.0. ---
**Author:** ![BrasilBorba1](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/brasilborba1/32/6124_2.png) [@BrasilBorba1](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/BrasilBorba1)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/38 "2024-08-02T23:26:55Z")
Dont go to steam my friend, the doom and gloom people are there in droves, its pathetic really because they dont seen to understand of EA is, they want everything now, one idiot even said that the price of EA shouldnt be of the full game, just of the EA content, go figures. I agree though, its a vote of confidence we gave the devs that made Ori, we are beta testing the game and the most we can do is give respectful feedback to them, saying what we like or dislike, but knowing full well that maybe they wont deviate too much from their vision of what the game should be, and thats understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Lacky](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex003/user_avatar/forum.norestforthewicked.com/lacky/32/6662_2.png) [@Lacky](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Lacky)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/39 "2024-08-04T07:11:56Z")
> [@Evocator1000](#): > > Sure I have. And precisely with those games you mentioned. But none of these Games are Story focussed or Gameplay focussed games. They are all open world, exploration focus. There is no „drive“ so to say. Wicked is ARPG + Story so double drive. Saying that Fallout is not “Story Driven” just means that you decided to not pay any attention to the story. Sure its **Open World** But its VERY story heavy and has been throughout the series. And all games are gameplay focused. If the main loop is killing, doesnt mean that it cant be mixed with exploration of a huge world and The **STORIES** of the people in said world. > [@Evocator1000](#): > > Actually yes 🤔😅🫠 And yes of course I can. Why not? Try some Visual Novel like games and you can see how fast the lines blur. You are allowed to do what ever you are. The main way in which video games differ from movies is that **They Are Interactive Media** It takes your input and in that way make it a lot more personal and gives the player the feeling of having some sort of way to affect the world in the game. > [@Evocator1000](#): > > We signed up for being spoiled. > > **Not offering any new content makes people lose interest (myself included), even in EA.** Especially after the long wait. You also signed up for what ever the development team decide to do and in which ever order they do it. So we can vote one way or another, but still accept their decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Evocator1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Evocator1000](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/u/Evocator1000)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146/40 "2024-08-04T12:17:19Z")
Hey, thanks for your reply! ☺🙏 > [@Lacky](#): > > Saying that Fallout is not “Story Driven” just means that you decided to not pay any attention to the story. Sure its **Open World** But its VERY story heavy and has been throughout the series. And all games are gameplay focused. If the main loop is killing, doesnt mean that it cant be mixed with exploration of a huge world and The **STORIES** of the people in said world. You misunderstand. I didn‘t say Fallout wasn‘t Story driven. All i meant is the drive of the Story is not very strong -It doesn‘t push you forward into the action, if anything it slows you down quite substantially, _because_ it is so Story rich. So many interesting Stories … Wish i had the time to play through all the Fallouts again (except 4). ^^‘ This is btw what i mean with Exploration drive: See all of it, find all secrets, see all the little stories play out. > [@Lacky](#): > > You are allowed to do what ever you are. The main way in which video games differ from movies is that **They Are Interactive Media** It takes your input and in that way make it a lot more personal and gives the player the feeling of having some sort of way to affect the world in the game. Did I say anything against that? VN „Style“ (!) games are very much interactive. Didn’t say to go full VN. Every game is a Story btw multiple in fact: The Story of you - the player, the game world and all the characters in it. Some games have more gameplay focus, others more Story focus - Its a spectrum. > [@Lacky](#): > > You also signed up for what ever the development team decide to do and in which ever order they do it. So we can vote one way or another, but still accept their decisions. I agree. And i do accept them. Doesn‘t mean that i am not allowed to criticize, or argue for valid points. That is precisely what we are here for in part. Cheers ☺ [Previous page](https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/dissappointment-with-the-crucible-update/13146.md?page=1)